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    • Financial Planners and Healthcare Advice

      • Posted by Vig Oren
      • on April 7, 2008 5:26 PM EDT
      Clients, heal thyself!

      Three healthcare articles are featured in this month issue of Financial-Planning magazine.  A common thread in these reports is the assumption that financial planners (FP) are to assume a responsibility in advising clients about taking financial care of  their healthcare situations. With this in mind I got a few questions:

      1) Are FPs qualified to carry out , comprehensive long-term-care planning for their clients, which involves setting goals, gathering data, analyzing the data, developing a plan, implementing the plan, and then monitoring it and making adjustments as needed?

      2) Are FPs knowledgeable  to helping clients by educating them about gaps in coverage and the need to plan for health costs in the same way advisors have been discussing saving for retirement, an educational process that has taken years? Example: should a client, who is short on funds, forgo paying for Medicare Rx plan D and instead pay premium for a LTC insurance?

      3)  Are  FPs to prevent and control life-style related illnesses such as those associated with obesity and smoking?

      4) What's the connection between FPs and their clients' physicans?

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      Excerpts from the articles:

      Your Retiring Clients' Biggest Fear
      Special Report: Healthcare & Retirement
      By David E. Adler  
      April 1, 2008

      Advisors can help by educating clients about gaps in coverage and the need to plan for health costs in the
      same way advisors have been discussing saving for retirement, an educational process that has taken years. But advisors can do more. Barnash argues that planners should be central to promoting change: The mere fact that consumers with the means to hire a planner are so concerned about health care shows the extent of the problem. "We see how desperate people are," he says. "The best proponent for a fix really is the financial planning community. We will be on the leading edge of pushing our senators and congressmen to get proactive."


      Long-Term Care Redefined
      Special Report: Healthcare & Retirement
      By Louise A. Schroeder, Mary Lacey Gibson, and Marge Randles  
      April 1, 2008

      As with any other type of financial planning, comprehensive long-term-care planning involves setting goals, gathering data, analyzing the data, developing a plan, implementing the plan, and then monitoring it and making adjustments as needed. A long-term-care plan could also go a long way to strengthening your bond with clients by giving them the sense that they are truly prepared.
       
    • Re: Financial Planners and Healthcare Advice
      • Posted by John L. Olsen, CLU,ChFC, AEP
      • on April 7, 2008 7:48 PM EDT
      Answers:

      1.  Some are.  Some are not.

      2.  Some are.  Some are not.  With regard to the example, the answer is "it depends".

      3.  Surely you jest.  Even health care professionals have no duty to "prevent and control" such things.  They can, and should, provide advice and render care, but they cannot force their patients to follow doctor's orders.  As for this duty's applicability to FAs, I do not know a single financial advisor who actually practices in the real world, who thinks that it's his or her duty to "prevent and control" a client's medical problems.  

      4.  It depends.  

      - John Olsen
       
    • Re: Financial Planners and Healthcare Advice
      • Posted by Amber
      • on April 8, 2008 10:42 AM EDT
      John:
      When it comes to insurance, you are, as always, right on target.

      Any competent, practising advisor would have certainly been exposed to this in thier CFP, CLU and/or ChFC course work  in the past.  And, as practising advisors know, they talk to clients about this nearly every time they actually sit in front of one.

      Amber

       
    • Re: Financial Planners and Healthcare Advice
      • Posted by Vig Oren
      • on May 8, 2008 10:35 AM EDT
      • Edited on May 8, 2008 12:35 PM EDT
      John Olsen,

      Please read this and realize that the LTC issue, on the national scale, can't be solved by financial advisors. Sooner or later it must be taken over by the US Government and the money that your clients spent on it (including commissions),  would be forfeited. Unless the LTCs are for short term and at low costs.

      From NEJM May 8, 2008


      Planning for the Future â?? Long-Term Care and the 2008 Election

      David G. Stevenson, Ph.D. DF

      PDA Full Text (if it works for you)



      -->Long-term care has all the makings of a great campaign issue. It affects a large portion of the population, it is expensive (it currently accounts for about 10% of all health care costs), and it requires a unique partnership between government and citizens. Moreover, a range of constituencies perceive the current long-term care system as seriously broken. It exposes people who need services to considerable financial risk, and it too often relies on an institutional model of care that is at odds with consumer preferences.

      Nonetheless, the candidates in the 2008 presidential race have been virtually silent about long-term care policy. Health care received substantial attention during the 35 Democratic and Republican debates (garnering more than 1000 mentions), but almost nothing has been said about long-term care. Not a single major debate question has focused specifically on the topic, and it has been mentioned by candidates in response to other questions only 11 times. Nor has long-term care received much attention on the campaign trail. Only one candidate, Senator Hillary Clinton, has delivered a speech on the topic and proposed a detailed agenda for the future. Candidates have backed broadly appealing goals such as improving the quality of care in nursing homes, reducing hassles with companies that offer insurance for long-term care, and more frequently providing long-term care at home or in the community. There has not, however, been a serious discussion about a reformed vision for long-term care in this country â?? in particular, how it will be financed.

      Almost 10 million people in the United States â?? two thirds of whom are elderly â?? currently need assistance completing basic activities of daily living (e.g., eating, bathing, and dressing). Most of these people remain at home, receiving help from family and friends. The vast majority of those who require paid supportive services are not insured against these potentially catastrophic costs. Neither Medicare nor private health insurance generally covers long-term care, and only a small proportion of older people have purchased separate insurance for it. Instead, long-term care in this country is supported by the safety nets of family caregiving, out-of-pocket payments, and the Medicaid program for people with low incomes.

      By all accounts, the safety net for long-term care is frayed. Family caregivers strain under considerable burdens, caring for relatives while fulfilling other obligations to work and children. Americans typically enter retirement with modest savings, uncertain of how they will afford the routine costs of living, let alone catastrophic health care costs. And state budgets increasingly struggle to maintain Medicaid's role as the primary payer for the long-term care of aging citizens. For professional providers of such care, recruitment and retention of qualified staff members can be enormously challenging and expensive; the adequacy of Medicaid payments to providers is a perennial concern; and quality-of-care problems recur with troubling regularity.

      Things won't get any easier in the coming decades. Our population is aging, and spending on long-term care for the elderly is projected to more than double over the next 30 years (see graph). Although demographic trends have featured prominently in public discourse about entitlement programs, population aging is an impetus for change that seems both overwhelming and easy to ignore. Moreover, the effect of aging baby boomers on the long-term care system will not be felt as soon as their effect on Medicare and Social Security will be felt. The first baby boomers will reach age 65 in just a few years, but older people typically do not need long-term care until they are well into their 70s or 80s.

      Click here to see the graphs:
      Projected Growth of the Elderly Population of the United States (Panel A) and of U.S. Spending on Long-Term Care for the Elderly (Panel B).

      Data are from the U.S. Census Bureau, 2004, and the Congressional Budget Office, 1999. Spending figures are inflation-adjusted from the year 2000. 
       
      Nevertheless, now is the time to reconsider the financing of long-term care. Our options for reform will grow increasingly constrained the longer we wait to act. In particular, as more people retire from the workforce, their ability to change their savings patterns, purchase insurance for long-term care, or contribute to a broader tax-financed solution will diminish. If a window of opportunity for the reform of entitlement programs opens after the 2008 election, it is important that long-term care factor into the discussions.


      Despite the issue's absence from the presidential campaign, a range of potential long-term care reforms have been developed by interested parties and experts in the field, and some thoughtful proposals for policy change have emerged during the past year.



      1,2 Yet in addition to ideas, policy action requires leadership and political will. Thus, the presidential candidates have an important role to play in raising awareness about future long-term care needs and in outlining visions for reform. There are at least three key questions that will inevitably confront us as we seek meaningful reform.3

      First, how should long-term care be viewed within the larger context of the delivery and financing of health care? In many ways â?? such as the minimal role of insurance, the large role of informal care, and the integration of supportive services with housing â?? long-term care differs from other areas of health care. But it will be difficult to achieve the goal of having an efficient, high-quality health care system as long as providers face uncoordinated and conflicting incentives from different payers in different care settings. This misalignment is especially apparent in cases in which financing for long-term and acute care is fragmented, with Medicaid responsible for the former and Medicare for the latter.4

      Second, should long-term care services that are publicly financed continue to be administered through a welfare-based strategy, or should we move to a more universal approach? The ostensible advantage of a means-tested benefit is that it limits claims on the public budget by restricting coverage to the neediest people. However, with more than half of nursing home residents qualifying for Medicaid, we may be giving up the potential advantages of more broadly sharing risk as we tenuously rely on people's savings and their ability to plan for future needs. A related question is whether we should move from a system that is largely state-based in its reliance on Medicaid programs to one that is more national.

      Third, should reforms of long-term care place greater emphasis on public programs or private provision? Any solution will require shared responsibility among individuals, families, and government. However, the mechanisms that would be needed to extend the Medicaid safety net or to create a new benefit under Medicare, as well as the trade-offs inherent in such moves, differ substantially from those that would be needed to expand incentives for private long-term care insurance or to offer greater support to informal caregivers. The former strategies emphasize government's role in targeting a defined set of services to those in need, whereas the latter strategies primarily subsidize the ability of individuals and families to meet their own current or future care needs.

      In his 1980 book Unloving Care, Bruce Vladeck concluded that U.S. nursing home policy was largely the by-product of broader social welfare legislation.5 In an oft-quoted passage, Vladeck likens recounting this history to "describing the opening of the American West from the perspective of mules; they were certainly there, and the epochal events were certainly critical to mules, but hardly anyone was paying very much attention to them at the time." Unfortunately, almost 30 years later, the same could be said of our current debates about health care and the future of Medicare and Social Security.

      As our population ages, we can't afford to ignore long-term care or to proceed without guiding principles. The economic and personal costs of inaction are substantial, and developing effective policy solutions will become more difficult the longer we wait. Not only should the presidential candidates pay attention to long-term care, but they should also exercise leadership in devising a cohesive and sustainable way forward. If the upcoming election truly is about creating sustainable change, then presenting an efficient and humane plan for the reform of long-term care should be viewed as an important test of the candidates' vision for our country."
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      Any comments?


       
    • Re: Financial Planners and Healthcare Advice
      • Posted by John L. Olsen, CLU,ChFC, AEP
      • on May 8, 2008 6:36 PM EDT
      Vig Goren writes "John Olsen,

      Please read this and realize that the LTC issue, on the national scale, can't be solved by financial advisors. Sooner or later it must be taken over by the US Government and the money that your clients spent on it (including commissions),  would be forfeited. Unless the LTCs are for short term and at low costs. "

      Oh, good GRIEF! 

      Yeah, let the Federal government take over Long Term Care. that'll fix the problem.

      Thanks for the laugh, Vig.

      - John Olsen
       
    • Re: Financial Planners and Healthcare Advice
      • Posted by Planner X, MBA, CMFC, CFP
      • on May 9, 2008 11:03 AM EDT
      I mean, Vig, are you serious?

      Can you name three things the federal government has successfully managed?  I'll name three they haven't.

      Their own budget?  Uh, no.

      Social Security?  Uh, no.

      Medicare?  Uh, heck no.

      Now we have candidates who want the federal government to take over health care insurance AND now this guy (and you) apparently believe taking over LTCi would be a good idea as well.

      Unbelievable.  Nothing bothers me more than a government taking over other aspects of healtcare when it's already proven that the parts of other healtcare areas they now attempt to run successfully aren't and are, in fact, failing as evidenced by them becoming ever-closer to insolvency.

      Yeah, let's let Uncle Sam take over LTCi and health insurance.  Real good idea.
       
    • Re: Financial Planners and Healthcare Advice
      • Posted by the observer
      • on May 31, 2008 11:11 PM EDT
      three things the federal government have successfully managed is easy:

      1. They've successfully managed to get their salaries increased on a regular basis, as well as better health benefits including overlapping benefits for themselves.

      2. They've successfully managed to out-produce the entire bovine population of America in the production of methane gas in chambers, though, this is dodgy because all that hot gas was not utilized to actually produce energy.

      3. They've continuously and successfully managed to *u*k up everything they've laid their hands on since George Bush took office, no mean feat either.